Homestuck ships possible (don’t forget, four romances, one tri-relational) = (840 * 839 * 3) + (840 * 839 * 838) =
592,703,160
What math were YOU doing?
Alex you wonderfully saucy bastard you.
Wait, you are actually forgetting that in Homestuck it is possible for a person to be shipped with themselves (Karkat for example is in a kismesis relationship with his past/future selves). This brings the real total of number of ships closer to (840^2 * 3) + (840^3) =
594,820,800
This is of course assuming that each character is only capable of having 4 types of ships. If we factor in charms (which is the Leprechaun romance system) there are 9 types of relationships. However, it is clearly stated that Leprechauns can be in more than 1 charm with another Leprechaun. That means that the total number of combinations of relationships that a Leprechaun can have is :
=
511
There are 14 known Leprechauns in Homestuck meaning that the total number of possible “Leprechaun Only” relationships in Homestuck is (14*14*511) =
100,156
So we add that number to the previous total for 594,820,800 + 100,156 =
594,920,956
However, this is assuming that only Leprechauns can be in these types of relationships. If we assume that all characters can additionally be in these types of relationships (which I understand is a big assumption, but the fandom will probably ship everything possible anyway) then we need to add a few more numbers.
(840 * 840 * 511) =
360,561,600
I am going to add this to the first total I came up with so as not to include the Leprechauns twice. So the grand total number of ships possible in Homestuck assuming that every character can be in both Troll and Leprechaun relationships (but not both at the same time) is:
594,820,800 + 360,561,600 =
955,382,400
So yeah…
hey every nepeta ever
start on that wall
I believe I’ve addressed this before, however, I’ve decided to revisit my old calculations for funsies.
So remember how way back when I said G1 has 538 Autobots and 452 Decepticons? Remember that? And how I got that nifty calculation that said, hey the Transformers Fandom has nearly 3 billion ships in the G1 Continuity on its own?
Well, I went back onto the TF Wiki and decided to calculate the total number of characters from every continuity that could be considered Cybertonian in origin.
TOTAL NUMBER OF AUTOBOTS = 3071
TOTAL NUMBER OF DECEPTICONS = 2469
TOTAL NUMBER OF MAXIMALS = 264
TOTAL NUMBER OF PREDACONS = 310
TOTAL NUMBER OF NEUTRALS = 40
TOTAL NUMBER OF MINICONS = 610
That is a grand spanking total of 6764 Cybertronian characters. If we were simply to address one specific method of pairing characters, say Full Spark Bonding between two individuals, this would lead to exactly 91,503,392 possible ships.
However, there are five widely observed types of relationships between Cybertronians. These are Full Spark Bond (2 Individuals), Partial Spark Bond (2 Individuals), Trine Bond (3 Individuals), Full Multiple Spark Bond (3 to 5 Individuals), Partial Multiple Spark Bond (3 to 5 Individuals).
Ahem.
Following my revised calculations, the total number of possible ships with JUST Cybertronian Characters is anywhere between 2,785,363,252,480 and 929,033,938,976.
Between 2 Trillion and 900 Trillion.
In conclusion…
ROBOTS!!
Every once in a while the Transformers fandom will rear its head and you see a glimpse of infinity.
did they just dethrone us
You know what, you didn’t just dethrone us.
Let’s, for the sake of fairness, keep the calculation of Homestuck’s total ships at 594,820,800 (disregarding leprechauns, including selfcest.)
And instead add this:
No, it’s not canon. No, this probably wouldn’t apply to any form of Alternia that “exists” or ever will “exist”. But for now, forget that.
We’ve already calculated data for the main four ships, so for now those are going to be skipped. Going down this list in order disregarding the main ships, we have (840^3) + (840^2) + (840^4) + (840^3) + (840^2) + (840^2) + (840^2) + (840^2).
Simplified? 499,060,296,000 ships. Adding the original ship count gives us 499,655,116,800 – which, for those of you whom don’t want to look at such a big number, is a burning half trillion potential ships.
Not enough to scratch your total. Let’s just try not to succumb to futility, here: predictably, I’m going to go deeper.
Flagism (i.e. inside-your-caste only) required me getting a list of every canon troll. Yes, Meirfa and Nektan as well as their potential ancestors/decendants (one or the other) are counted. In cases in which it asks for a “group”, or uses “many”, I used 4 and 8 respectively, in reference to the kids. This is because things like Laytherithm, which could repeat infinitely, would probably essentially be cheating this list.
My final result is 2.484660738974071e+23, which I had to manually calculate to be a whopping total of (supposedly) 248,466,073,897,407,100,000,000. 248 sextillion possible ships. We don’t even need the leprechaun ships, because we’ve already won. *mic drop*
*cracks knuckles*
There are now at least 6766 documented individual named Cybertronian Characters (I’m way too lazy to go back to the TF Wiki a third time to verify it, but there’s probably more. They pop up like daisies). As of my writings at this time we have Full Spark Bonds (2 Individuals), Partial Spark Bonds (2 Individuals), Trine Bonds (3 Individuals), Full Multiple Spark Bonds (3 to 5 Individuals), Partial Multiple Spark Bonds (3 to 5 Individuals, and the Official Conjunx Endura (which appears to be your basic marriage synonym, assumed 2 individuals).
So Full and Partial Spark Bonds plus Conjunx Endura = 3(6766^2)
Add In Trine Bonds = (6766^3)
And all variations of the the Multiples. I only did one variation of each before because honestly, five seemed a bit unfair. = 2(6766^3) + 2(6766^4) + 2(6766^5)
Over 28 Quintillion in Cybertronian Only Relationships. If I really wanted to be unfair, then I would throw in Gestalt Bonds, which can range from 2 to 6 individuals. Occasionally there are more than six, but that’s such a statistical rarity that I’m excluding.
But hey, since I’m here = (6766^2)+(6766^3)+(6766^4)+(6766^5)+(6766^6)
This brings the total to 9,636,373,416,060,850,260,016 and does not include Symbionts (who can have symbiotic bonds with eighteen or possibly more cassettes), Splitsparks (one spark split into two individuals), Triple Changers (one spark, multiple forms and multiple personalities, or Multi-Changers (one spark, more than 3 forms and possibly more than 3 personalities).
This is one Universal Stream.
There are 54 Quadrillion Universal Streams.
I had to use google’s calculator because mine wouldn’t cooperate but that gives us this number here = 520,364,160,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Wikipedia tells me that this number is approximately 520 Tredecillion. Not as nice sounding as Quintillion or Sextillion, I’ll admit. But it’s further down the list and therefore larger, so I will put up with how dumb it sounds.
Considering that we have yet another movie this year, three on-going comic series, and a new tv show due out next summer, we may just reach a googol within the next half decade.
Aw son of a fuck.
Now, I have expended all of my possible resources for possible ships, but you must remember a novemdecillion is eighteen zeroes past a tredecillion. And even if that math did have a chance of being totally incorrect, just remember that we have seven sets of infinity sitting on top of the half-a-quadrillion ship pile.
Apologies, I counted wrong. It’s actually 520 Undecellion, not Tredecillion.
We only reach 1.03 Tredecillion if we add in Triple Changers. It’d be more if we applied every single bonding type to each personality, but I’m pretty sure that may cause some spark strain in the long run and be somewhat physically unhealthy.
I’m also not going to even attempt to calculate the possibilities of Triple Changers in conjunction with Gestalt Bonds because let’s face it, that would be a very ridiculous number, accompanied with the even more ridiculous imagery of Astrotrain and Blitzwing in an orgy with the Stunticons.
If there isn’t a fic of that already, there will be within the next five days.
As for Symbionts and Multi-Changers, there is not enough caffeine in the universe to challenge the headache that will bring me. I also forgot about Binary Bonding and again, that’d probably bring me more headache than can actually be cured. Still left out Humans and Non-Cybertronian Aliens.
But still, whatever number we manage to get for one Universal Stream, we can multiply it by 54 Quadrillion.
Okay, you know what, I know when you have to give up.
Trophy to Transformers fandom.
so. much. math. XD
Did he account for cross-continuity pairings? All the numbers sort of started to dance around.
Never fails to amuse me.
it’s time to throw this out here again
There comes a point where you just have to realize that the Transformers Fandom is the sleeping giant at the bottom of the sea.
I highly recommend, if you are on the fence about the Cassandra Clare case. You read this court document.
The fact that you can put each character and plot point next to each other and they are the exact same. Says something. I didn’t think they were going to have much of a case. But when it’s this similar. Down to a rebellious sister whose cooking is mocked. I have no sympathy for CC and I will no longer be supporting her books/shows/endeavors.
There’s literally 15 pages that list every single similarity! It’s insane! I’m surprised Clare didn’t get sued earlier. Can someone who’s read both series confirm that these comparisons are accurate though??
Cause I saw someone asking in the reblogs and someone else claiming that the Dark-Hunter series was published after The Mortal Instruments….
Also, there’s this from the initial report of the lawsuit:
On Friday, Kenyon sued Cassandra Clare aka Judith Rumelt aka Judith Lewis, claiming her “Shadowhunter” series initially used Kenyon’s trademark “darkhunter.” After Kenyon demanded that Clare remove the word “darkhunter” from her work, Clare used the term “shadowhunter” for her protagonists instead, according to the lawsuit. The word “hunter” was also removed from the book title. Clare’s book, “The Mortal Instruments: City of Bones,” was published in 2007. Since then, Clare has expanded her use of the term “shadowhunter” despite assurances that she would not, according to Kenyon.
You can find the initial report of the lawsuit here.
I’ve read the first three books (but they’ve been on my reread list for a while) in the series and I can confirm from my recollections that having read through that list? The similarities are pretty fucking damning.
Also, for those who want further reading on the subject of this lawsuit, you can read more here. That contains these two points:
12. In 2006, PLAINTIFF was alerted by some of her distressed fans of the potential
publication by CLARE of a work that incorporated PLAINTIFF’s Dark-Hunter Marks. PLAINTIFF demanded that the term “darkhunter” and the Dark-Hunter Marks be removed from
CLARE’s work. CLARE removed the term “darkhunter” and the Dark-Hunter Marks from her
work, substituting instead the term “shadowhunters” for her protagonist, but removing any
reference to “hunter” (whether “shadow” or “dark”) from the title; the book was published in 2007
as “The Mortal Instruments, City of Bones.” Despite PLAINTIFF’s continuing protests and continuous assurances from CLARE and CLARE’s publisher that she/they would not expand the
use of the “shadowhunters” term or adopt it as a trademark, CLARE has persisted over time in
expanding her use of the term “shadowhunters” from a mere description of her protagonists, first
to a tag line on the cover of her works and eventually to a complete rebranding of her works so as
to be confusingly similar to the Dark Hunter Series. CLARE’s works are now listed on CLARE’s
website, “shadowhunters.com” under the category of “Cassandra Clare’s Shadowhunters” and
include the series of “Mortal Instruments” novels along with “The Infernal Devices,” “The Dark
Artifices,” “Tales from the Shadowhunter Academy,” “The Bane Chronicles,” “The Last Hours,”
and “The Shadowhunter’s Codex”, each a “Shadowhunter Book” (and collectively, the
“Shadowhunter Series”).
13. The Dark-Hunter Series and the Shadowhunter Series are so similar that CLARE’S
own publisher mistakenly printed 100,000 copies of a Shadowhunter Book referencing the DarkHunter
Mark on the cover. Upon written demand by PLAINTIFF, CLARE’s publisher destroyed
tens of thousands of the Shadowhunter Book that contained PLAINTIFF’s Dark-Hunter Mark on
its cover. Despite the destruction of tens of thousands of copies of this Shadowhunter Book, thousands of Shadowhunter Books including the Dark Hunter Marks on the cover have now been
sold and substantial commercial confusion has resulted.
^^This should clarify things if people are wondering what the fuss is about. It’s more than a couple of similarities (which books based on the same sort of thing are going to have)
The great thing about fandom/internet friends vs. friends you meet out IRL, is that when you get to know people for the first time face-to-face, there’s this awkward process of trying to figure out juuuust how much of a dork they are, and how much you can nerd out before you scare them off. Like, you don’t wanna break out the real freaky shit right off. There’s always the impulse to hang back a little, as you try to gauge just how into a thing they are. But with fandom friends? You fucking met them in the garbage heap. You knew their fucked up narrative kinks before you even know their real name. They are screaming their passions into the void. Your friendship comes pre-loaded with already knowing the exact depths of each other’s depravity, and any ordinary-people-shit you have in common is just a bonus.
I started thinking about it before Amok Time aired.
In the summer of ‘67, watching the reruns of the first season, I very clearly remember a growing sense of, “They really love each other.” I did not jump to “they are in a romantic/sexual relationship,” but I was increasingly aware that there was love and devotion between them. I wrote a speculative essay about their platonic love in our summer fan club newsletter, which I remember being well-received.
With the start of Season 2, our whole fan club (and often others) watched the show together, at the house of the one person we knew with a color TV. The show was on Friday nights, so we would start the weekends by piling into her living room and watching “in living color” for the first time. Afterwords we would stay and discuss.
When Amok Time aired, we definitely had a lot to talk about. I am pretty sure no one suggested that they were gay – that would have been quite a scandalous suggestion at that time; and I don’t think I thought it myself. But we did have quite a discussion about how much Jim was willing to sacrifice for Spock, Spock’s reaction to seeing Jim alive, and what did Spock mean by “having not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting…?”
Did Spock … want Jim?
Two camps formed: one believing that Spock was in love with Jim and was pining for him, the other believing no way! that’s ridiculous!
Single copies of “Spock pines for Jim” stories started appearing and being circulated hand-to-hand. Two other women and I were doing most of the writing in my circle of fan friends, and because distribution was so difficult, we started having Thursday night gatherings. Anyone could come and we would read the latest installments in our Spock-loves-Jim stories out loud to the group.
Sometime between the second and third season, my primary writing mentor – an established, published sci-fi writer who was much older than me – told me in private conversation that she thought their love was mutual, quite possibly physical, and that she thought their relationship was worth exploring in writing.
She and I each started working on long pieces exploring the Kirk/Spock relationship, and it was the first time I had seriously entertained the idea that their love was also physical. That was a very secret project. We only ever shared our work with each other for comment / revision, and never mentioned it to anyone else at the time.
The first time I realized that the K/S relationship – which was called “The Premise” in those days – was being explored by other writers and even artists was in the summer of ‘69. Star Trek had been cancelled and I went to another state to meet with a handful of people who were forming a fan network to try to get Star Trek back on air. While there, a fellow fan showed me a set of drawings, all very tame by today’s standards, that depicted a physical relationship between Jim and Spock. I remember how shocked I was — not by the subject matter, but by the fact that someone had dared depict it.
Slash stayed very much underground until late 1974, when the first published K/S story used very coded language to suggest a love relationship between them.
Additional history note, for people who aren’t aware of it: In 1973, homosexuality was removed from the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorder) as a mental illness. Before that time, it was officially listed as, and treated as, a psychiatric disorder, like schizophrenia: a condition that requires treatment, with the goal of removing it, or minimizing its effects if that wasn’t possible.
How happy someone was with it wasn’t important – it was considered a disease. Anyone who was happy being gay was considered to ill to realize how damaged they were.
Claiming that Kirk and Spock might have those feelings for each other was a hard clash against mainstream psychology. It was a very controversial opinion, because it meant not only looking at the series and saying, “I’m seeing a relationship that I’m pretty sure the writers didn’t consciously intend,” but also, “oh, and the entire AMA and the combined wisdom of its doctors are clueless about how human relationships work.”
Believing that two people of the same sex could have a healthy, loving relationship was an act of defiance all on its own.
This is so fantastic to know. Thank you for that insight into fandom history
*pulls up to the fanfic drive-thru window* uh yeah, i’ll take a fake relationship with a side of mutual pining and thinking the other isn’t interested, thanks
#sure and if you can throw in an extra “sharing one bed” trope, that would be great.
How much is it to supersize to smut?
So if you get smut and fluff from a drive thru where do you go for angst and dark?
That you order from the guy in the trenchcoat in the alley. “You want angst? I got angst”
*sticks my withered goblin paw out from under the bed* psst kid i got ‘they both think the other one is dead for like seven chapters’
i won’t actually tell you i provide morally gray victories for villains in love. i just hand you a business card that says “Plots Twisted”. when you look up from reading it, i’m gone.
So I work at a video game store in a mall and across the hall from us is this really nice suit shop. One day one of the guys came in an asked if they could use our microwave (the store they used to go to closed down) and we bargined for use of their bathroom in return since the mall bathrooms are like a 5 min trek.
So for like three months now we just have these men in really nice suits come in and talk while using our microwave and teach them about nerdy shit? Then I, the goblin king in various shitty tee shirts and paint stained pants, walk into their super expensive store and just get greeted with “Yo dude what’s good?” and talk about the pains of steaming silken dress shirts properly and it’s my favorite business interaction every day
A new jewelry store opened up right next to our store and when I used the bathroom today we were talking about it. I hate it on principle (they flooded our systems closet during building) and immediately both Suit Guys™ working went on mini rants. “Their suits are baggy as hell, I wouldn’t trust them to sell me a $9,000 ring when they can’t get a fitted jacket. They look so unprofessional, ” and “I saw one of the dude’s wearing a teal shirt. It’s fall, and you go with teal? At least get a color to match your store if you’re gonna ignore the seasons like that, Christ, but teal is awful.”
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just moving along like everyone else 