Tag: classpect

Theorizing Role: Seer of Heart

zenosanalytic:

Anonymous said:

Would you be willing to do a Seer of Heart analysis? I’m waffling between Seer/Mage and Hope/Heart for a character.

Sure I can do that 🙂 Also, I’ve Written Quite a Few Things in the Past regarding Mages/Seers and the question of deciding on Titles that, while perhaps not directly applicable, might have some ideas you’d find useful u_u

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Hey have you done seer of heart? I’m really wondering about it :P

deliverusfromsburb:

*cracks knuckles*

I am determined to burn through at least five of these tonight. I have popcorn and everything.

Sorry they’re shrinking.

A Seer of Heart would probably understand their friends very well, even better than they understand themselves. (They being the friends, not the seer. These pronouns are getting out of control.) They would either use this knowledge or pass it on as a way to keep everyone relatively happy and healthy.

I like the idea that a Seer of Heart could see the state of your soul. Just by looking at someone, they would know how they were doing, how they saw themselves, and whether they were being influenced by anything. A Seer of Heart, for example, would immediately know if someone was being possessed or controlled. They might even know if you were wasted, but you usually don’t need superpowers for that. I also like the idea that they might see who you’re closest to – the people who are tied up irrevocably in your identity – but that might be more of a Seer of Blood thing.

A Seer of Heart would have an interesting view of the world. They would constantly see people at their best and their worst, by seeing who they really are deep down and what they’re capable of. It might hamper their ability to deal with people as they present themselves on the surface, but it could also give them great insight and empathetic ability.

idk if you’re still doing the classpect thing… but seer of heart?

deliverusfromsburb:

Oh whoops, this one got kinda buried. My inbox is a mess at the moment. :/

Anyway, standard Heart-based warnings apply. This Aspect is based on what you consider part of your identity and thus could be anything and everything. I can only provide even looser guidelines than normal. 

Interests/Traits

Anything is fair game. But as a Heart player, whatever they’re into they are very into. Since they are a Seer, they might be a little more structured, analytic, or information/text-based about their hobbies. For example, if they like sports, perhaps they have a fondness for memorizing world records or batting averages. If they’re into a show, they write a lot of fanfiction about it and know weird stories about the cast and crew. If they have a cat, they can tell you everything about the breed. 

A Seer of Heart might be very into reading self-help and self-improvement manuals. Maybe they then attempt to make other people follow those tips as well. They probably dissect their friends’ actions and have an uncanny knack for knowing when they’re upset or otherwise ‘not themselves’. They have made people watching an Olympic sport. Good luck lying to them. They can tell if you’re lying to yourself. 

Game Powers

This will be filtered through their interests, as I said before. Some generic Seer of Heart powers might include being able to gain information about npcs, agents, or enemies just by looking at them. Take a glance at that monster and you know what it is, what its stats are, and the best way to kill it. Eyeball that agent and you know exactly how to recruit them to your side. If any player or enemy is using disguises or illusions, the Seer will see right through them. They can’t be fooled, because they’ll always see who someone truly is. If any of their teammates are being possessed, controlled, influenced, etc., the Seer will know right away and may be able to take action.

Roles are bound up in the Self, so a Seer of Heart might be able to help their teammates understand what they’re capable of and how to unlock their powers. They can figure out what roadblocks the person is hitting as they try to develop and come up with ways around them. 

With Heart as soul, maybe the Seer of Heart can see ghosts! In a session without dreambubbles, this could be handy, especially if they hang out with their Time player to gather more information from doomed timelines. Even with dreambubbles, guardians and npcs usually don’t show up… the Seer might be able to chat with them. Or maybe they can just tell what areas of the game have seen a lot of death, allowing them to dodge traps or reconstruct past events.

Arc/Development

The path of a Heart player seems to involve coming to terms with their Self. Seers often panic when they lose control and ‘blind’ themselves in some way to compensate or pay penance. Maybe the Seer screwed something up because of a personality trait or interest they’re ashamed of, and they try to make themselves something they’re not. Or maybe they hate being able to see their friends so clearly (it’s not always pretty) so they try to convince themselves that they’re wrong, and then their friends’ bad traits get them hurt. Eventually, a Seer of Heart would need to accept that all of our souls contain good and bad. By understanding both, the Seer can appreciate people for who they are and help guide them into being the best they can be. 

Have you done an analysis of a Mage of Heart yet? If not, could you?

deliverusfromsburb:

(Psst, you guys can check the tags first.)

However, it looks like I have not. This is a tricky one. Mage is still vague, and Heart will always be vague by its very nature. But I will do my best to try to get this finished before work.

Interests/Traits

Yeah, when you throw Heart in here this can be basically anything. Relationships seem to come into play (even Dirk mentions shipping equations and draws smut for Caliborn), and roleplaying/identity games are definitely a component. However, Heart is really whatever the person considers a valued interest and part of their identity. Since they are a Mage, they are probably very into whatever they like, so much so that they might be defined or consumed by their hobbies. These hobbies are also more likely to be plot-relevant. They may take a more instinctive and/or systematic approach to their interests. They’re naturally skilled at it or they developed traits that coincide nicely, but they also like to study, organize, and dig deep into their passions. They may have a strong sense of their Self and/or micromanage their identity to prune themselves into an acceptable shape. Hopefully they don’t unleash that kind of self-help program on anyone else.

Game Powers

Again, Heart can go in a LOT of different directions. In general, though, a Mage of Heart would have a natural understanding of Self and Identity. Much like a Seer of Heart, they would not be fooled by lies or illusions, and they would know when someone has been influenced or corrupted. They probably always Know Themselves, which could help them unlock their powers faster and resist influence (although knowing your true self can be a burden sometimes). Perhaps they have always dreamed in the bubbles instead of on a moon, giving them a thorough understanding of the spirits of the dead. Again, this is mostly repeating the Seer stuff, but they might be able to gauge enemy stats or motivations with a glance. 

Mages also seem to be able to alter and manipulate to an extent. Maybe Mages can warp people’s souls a little bit, just enough to bend an enemy’s allegiance or fool the game into accepting a doomed double as a different person. Considering Heart’s connection to roleplay, maybe they could disguise themselves or others to slip past enemies that are programmed to detect certain kinds of players… just by altering their identity a tiny bit to fall through the program’s net. This is particularly likely if they’re on good terms with a Rogue or Rage player (Rage as performance). 

Arc/Development

Mages’ arcs are characterized by loss. Something important is taken away from them. They usually lose touch with their aspect at some point (often after it has consumed them) but they can lose other stuff too (friends, eyesight, matesprits, their free will). A Mage of Heart may be extremely self-centered and then realize they don’t know themselves as well as they thought they did. Or maybe they do get influenced/corrupted somehow, maybe as a result of another loss they experience. Eventually they have to move beyond their grief and find a way to balance their relationship with their role. You can’t let your absences define you. You have to assert who you are.

Sorry that this was weak. Heart is tricky and we haven’t been given loads on Mages yet. 

personal classpect stuff

so i think im a mage/seer of heart

i think more mage than seer, but we already have a canon mage of heart in meulin leijon though she barely gets any screentime

but here’s how it is:

none of the aspects really fit me. like i bet im a mage/seer but i could see myself as a hero of time, doom, mind, heart, light, or void and thats…too many aspects. if it was one or two i could see being uncertain but those are half of all aspects we know of. that just…doesnt work.

but as very cool homestuck theorists deliverusfromsburb and zenosanalytic have said, heart is a class that is both very narrow and very broad, being linked to a person’s self, which can be inherently contradictory – and since the self is individual what “heart” is can be different for each person, hence the both narrow and broadness of it.

and i feel like heart can encompass me and all that i am or could be.

heart is about what is, and i am very into what things are. what they actually are. The Truth (and What Is) are concepts that i strive to understand and learn.

im into history and psychology, which are all about the Self and What Is (or Has Been in the case of history). the way we talk about the past influences the present and the future. and unfortunately, there is no objective measure of rightness someone is about history, theres all these subjective ideas about how things go, bc people are different and have different views…

im rambling. and that junk about people all being different seems very Heart-y.

anyway, the fact that im so concerned about imagining for myself the right classpect rather than the one i want most seems Heart-y to me.

two problems: i feel like that since theres a canon mage of heart i dont want that class even though i think mage fits me better than seer, and i dont like the color of Heart at all. too pink, and i dont like pink. i know, i know, but thats how i feel.

anyway, with everything ive said it feels weird not to go with what feels right and seems right intellectually over something so petty as canonness and color.

so anyway, if i had to give myself a classpect, it would probably be mage of heart.

Would you mind doing Mage of Heart?

zenosanalytic:

As I was writing this it very rapidly became an in-depth examination of the Mage Class(hence the delay, anon) :/ Since I feel like that subject deserves it’s own post, and that hijacking this ask with such a lengthy tangent would be a bit unfair to Sir/Madam Greyorb Sunshades up there, I put all that stuff into its own draft, to be worked through later, and tried to keep general Class arguments summarized below 🙂

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Heart and Sylph

zenosanalytic:

Hibernatingsunflower asked if I’d put down my thoughts on the Heart Aspect and, specifically, what a Sylph of Heart might possibly be like, so here we go 🙂

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Do you see any correlations between certain classes/aspects and MBTI/enneagram types? Figured maybe I could get pointed in the direction of my true God Tier by comparing it to some of my other personality types. ^^’

dahniwitchoflight:

dahniwitchoflight:

 not really, because they describe and talk about different things about a person

MBTI focuses on the sort of functions for how you take in, or use or process information, its more of a, how your brain currently likes to do things described as different functions like introverted sensing, or introverted feeling, or extroverted sensing, or extroverted thinking and etc in different orders, combinations and pairs, its how you think about and view things, which sounds like it could be connected to classpect on the surface

but the difference lies in this: MBTI can change over time as your functions grow and develop, and even your type may change over time based on how you grow and develop these 8 different functions and how you use them the best, or which pairs or ‘loops’ you use more, but its based always on your current form of what you are now

Classpect is never really about the current self, a lot of people assume this tho which is where i think the association with MBTI comes from, but really Classpect is about what you WANT to become, rather than what you are currently

God tiering is supposed to be a journey of growth and discovery, and the god tier itself is like this end goal post that you want to achieve in the future that describes not just “you” but the best version of you, you at your greatest, achieving your best, being the best you that ever could be by achieving what you want to achieve out of life

so its more, MBTI is place you are currently in your journey, Classpect is the End Goal Post

so trying to decide a god tier based on the MBTI I think is not accurate way to do it, simply for the fact that they are describing different parts of a person that may or may not be the same

like, its not set in stone that who you are now is who you will want to be, in fact its more likely that who you are now wont be exactly like the person that you wish to become eventually (tho it can happen with people who’ve had their life together since kindergarten, and dont really have much of a journey of self discovery as a sidewalk of self discovery lol)

#your mbti type doesnt change lmao

it honestly can actually, because MBTI describes your way of doing things, your personality, and people’s personalities can in fact change over long periods of time, our brains have plasticity/we aren’t stagnant and etc

MBTI explains this though as you developing your different inferior functions, instead of just your dominant ones

heres the problem with that though: there are 16 types based on the order of only 4 out of 8 functions, some types share all of the same functions, but simply in a different order of strength, so what happens when for example an INTJ who has (Ni> Te> Fi> Se) and happens to develop/change/grow over time so that their Se is stronger than their Fe? or their Fi stronger than their Ni? and now their order of functions is Fi > Se > Ni > Te? which is the order of functions for an ISFP?

Did they develop fully as an INTJ? or did they become an ISFP? are you doomed to be forever immature and unable to grow with inferior functions or can you change your type over time? how can you tell them apart if an already fully developed person takes an MBTI test? How can you determine the difference based only on their behavior alone? you can’t, you have to use some sort of measurable data

which brings up the other problem that nobody really brings up, which is that none of MBTI is based on any sort of observable real world data based on any of the functions, theres no actual data, theres no brains scans showing clearly that “this brain is a sensor vs an intuitor” you cannot tell because it isnt grounded in the physical reality of the brain, unlike mental illness or conditions of the brain, or things like sociopathy, which you can actaually see physical differences in the brains that reflect the observable differences

Instead Its all based on a person’s personal observations of people’s behavior and theorized classifications of behaviours, its all purely outside observations, no internal data. Its a theoretical framework that has yet to be proven, or connected to physical reality