melkoor:

wisdomandlogicareking:

asgardian–angels:

fackfackfackfack:

strixus:

fackfackfackfack:

Okay, so we’re often led to believe that spiders = the Dark Lords, especially in LOTR, where its like “lol yea spiders just hang around Mordor” and in lore for the Hobbit, too, where its like “lol Necromancer’s land is riddled with em”

but… does he even fuckin’ like the spiders???

We never see him use them. They’re just AROUND. In the shadows. Trailing him, picking on his Orcs as much as anyone else. I mean, he seems to like Shelob? But that doesn’t necessarily mean he likes all the others… Or is this just like… Him being all “fuck it I’m tired of existence, I’ll align myself to the spiders, too… cause you knnow what they threw my master in the Void and drowned me”

I’ve always assumed that since Ungoliant isn’t a creation of Melkor, her brood aren’t even really allies of the Dark Forces. I’ve always seen them as their own faction. 

… Spiders keep wanting to be friends with the Dark Forces, and the Dark Forces keep going “EEEW why do you have so many LEGS,” and getting a broom.

Spiders: Leeeet’s be friends?
Morgoth: mmmmmm okay
Spiders: Let’s eat friends?
Morgoth: what.

I mean you’re right

Back in the day I think Mr. Melkor-Arachnophobe-Bauglir swore off spiders but realized that little could be done about them and he certainly wasn’t going to try. It’s an interesting implication that the spiders in Middle-Earth are Ungoliant’s spawn- all spiders? were there regular tiny spiders or is every single spider a descendant of Ungoliant that just kept shrinking through time (as is a pattern in ME, sort of everything settling from the Ainulindale aka Big Bang and the universe going from high energy to low energy) until we get modern day lil spiders that are mostly harmless but still hold a tiny bit of TIMELESS VOID ETERNAL DARKNESS in them lmao 

Mairon, while more ambitious on that front than Melkor, having not had a near-death experience with one fifty times bigger than your body, still didn’t want to oppose them. It seemed he bartered with Shelob, who canonically was living in Mordor long before Mairon settled there. He managed to strike a deal and keep her happy, and good thing because he wasn’t really in any position to tell her no. How’s about, you do your thing and I do my thing, and if it suits you maybe eat any intruders? Try not to eat my orcs? No? You’ll eat what you want? O-ok, s-sure, that sounds good. Great talk. 

While it’s not a coincidence evil spiders and dark lords are found in close proximity, do not mistake correlation for causation! The spiders like the darkness the dark lords made, and occasionally just by doing what they do, prove an asset to Sauron. But no alliances were formed. It’s an uneasy coexistence. 

I find it funny that even the dark sides of fantasy don’t like spiders

I think this is how the the sides of Lotr are

The “good” side :Dwarves, Elves, Man, Ents, and Hobbits (and valar)

The “bad” side :Orcs, Morgoth, Sauron, Balrogs, Vampires, Goblins, Ogres, Trolls, Werewolves, monstrous etc. creatures no longer around

The Spider side :Ungoliant, Shelob, all spiders (eat everyone and everything)

The spiders are the bad side for the bad side